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Post by Neracus on Jul 16, 2013 1:06:32 GMT -5
For one, the nerf on air spout its completely illogical. Seeing how it is a master ability and only two people have ever gotten it because the price is nearly a million dollars, (which my I add is such a feat itself) cutting its height in half isn't very... well logical. I do understand the nerf is because so many people got air because certain people had to tell people to pick it. But very few people reach master level so whats the point of nerfing that? I personally use it for multiple reasons, from building to keeping an eye on people when they are up to something suspicious, but now its basically useless.
Selling also said that Mitch should decrease the passive boost of Speed 2 and Jump 2 to Speed 1 and Jump 1 because that's the reason so many people are choosing it. Doing this greatly decreases the overall use for air bending, and seeing how its a utility bending element that would make it next to useless. If you truly wanted to deter people from choosing air when they join, simply remove it for a short time until the balance is shifted back to normal, which it already is nearing thanks to the efforts of Selling, but this idea isn't the best.
So overall this nerf isn't a solution for the lack of balance with bending, I have seen other people upset at the idea of the passive boost being nerfed, this is a solution that only causes more problems that will then need to be solved themselves. So instead of doing that it would be better to return to the original problem and get less people to choose air.
One solution could be allowing air benders to switch to another bending style. Yes I know there is the issue that people won't take the choice seriously if they can just change, but you could only offer it to long time players, or people with few abilities. An extension of this would be to let people change their bending style only before they buy their first ability once every few days, and the time doubles every time they switch their bending, but once they buy their first ability they can no longer do it.
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Post by sellingpapayas on Jul 16, 2013 1:13:05 GMT -5
Yeah it would be more sensible to nerf something EVERY airbender has, not just two. The "certain" people really have no air abilities and just tell new players that they can fly (leaving out everything else and the costs). Also, I never said that Mitch gave me those figures in the Second paragraph, but Id be fine with Speed 1 and Jump 2 (jump 1 only adds a half slab). Taking away our better-saturation with the speed/jump is also something I'd be fine with. If this isn't an option, at least cut the price of master in half if its being nerfed in half.
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Post by Neracus on Jul 16, 2013 1:17:43 GMT -5
Well the price of the air master is so high because its two abilities. But only one got cut in half. The price of each ability is 375k, so if one was cut in half its true cut down cost would be 562.5k Instead of 375k if it was cut directly in half.
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Post by sellingpapayas on Jul 16, 2013 1:20:21 GMT -5
Well, that's still a better solution then just straight up nerfing air. At least it costs lest to get less.
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Post by Neracus on Jul 16, 2013 1:24:19 GMT -5
It's still not very smart to nerf something so few people get it and is so useful.
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Post by Nick_was_hear on Jul 16, 2013 1:33:28 GMT -5
All the fire benders gonna vote it down.  |
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Post by Neracus on Jul 16, 2013 1:51:03 GMT -5
That's just rude though, air spout is something that can be used alongside air shield to completely avoid fights, if its used to fight the air bender is actually put at a disadvantage because they move at walking speed so its harder to avoid arrows. Its main use is in building or to keep people from trying to kill you, and even then you aren't allowed to fight someone who doesn't want to so its just a way to make it so no one can break that rule. So ultimately if someone wants air spout nerfed... they just want it easier to break the rule that you aren't allowed to fight an unwilling player.
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Post by p90nub on Jul 16, 2013 12:36:10 GMT -5
air spout is something that can be used alongside air shield to completely avoid fights Hence the nerf. Airspout still allows you to float 10 blocks, more than enough. The airspout nerf has nothing to do with the certain people who attack new players and tell them to pick their element, but rather with the fact that the previous airspout was completely unbalanced, at a height of 25 blocks. 10 keeps you out of sword swinging distance, allows you to build, but keeps you in arrow distance if you let down your shield. AirSpout put you out of easy arrow distance, making you almost invulnerable even without airshield. No plans to nerf air passives, and YOCO all day erry day. |
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Post by SuprMEGA on Jul 16, 2013 14:38:49 GMT -5
Yes and as soon as I finally get to master, the master ability gets nerfed. Not cool.
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Post by Nightbby on Jul 16, 2013 14:51:54 GMT -5
Air spout could go 25 blocks..? Water spout could never go that high by itself..
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Post by mcnoob42 on Sept 19, 2013 18:30:28 GMT -5
I see this thread is quite old, so disregard my post if the issue has been resolved.
FireJet can go much higher than 10 blocks and allows travel much faster than walking pace. It seems weird that the flight abilities of air, a bending element based on utility and evasion, are inferior to an element that is almost exclusively offensive. In addition, FireJet (65k, I think) is much cheaper than airspout, which is a total of 1.4 million counting all other abilities necessary to be master. It would be more correct for scammers to say "Pick fire. It lets you fly!" I'm pretty sure FireJet can go through airshield, so if my timing's right I can hit an "invulnerable" airbender with A Staple Gun (my sharpness V sword). A 25-block height would still allow this, but it would be much more difficult and the fall would be fatal without feather falling. Earthbenders' catapult ability might be capable of this too. I guess my point is that a 25-block airspout seems powerful, but not infallible; just like a master ability should be.
plz don't nerf firejet tho T_T
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Post by Pwnerock on Sept 25, 2013 18:44:10 GMT -5
Now that I'm an air bender master,I can see why Neracus complains about this. In all reality, I find this move is almost worthless b/c it just isn't very helpful. What I purpose is that you can have airspout, BUT you CANNOT use other air bending moves with it. Air bending is a MOBILITY class, not for pvp at all. Air spout+Airsheild in my opinion is a very cheap move, and if you want to do pvp, you should have chosen fire.
Now, what i feel would be fair is making the air spout back to 25 blocks. If i fall in a big hole, 10 blocks is nothing, but 25 blocks can actually help me out (hence MOBILITY). Maybe because of the cost, you can make there be NO height limit, so we can actually build big buildings with it. Again, this would also be with the assumption that you CANNOT use other air moves. (possibly) also make it so you cant use it in other people's claims. People build walls to make sure others cannot get in, but being able to fly right in defeats the wall's whole purpose then. These are just my thoughts on it, so DON'T just completely blow up on me if you don't agree. Purpose reasons why my suggestion is bad/good if you feel the need to comment. Thanks and I hope this does get considered!
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Post by Neracus on Sept 25, 2013 19:25:55 GMT -5
Really the whole air spout + air shield thing can only be used to avoid fighting, which is what air bending is for. Yeah in a battle it can be cheap to go up in it and heal, but the other person can do the same.
Not saying it should be nerfed, but tornado does basically the same thing, but with less control, and it forces you to look down, although you can use to fling creepers are people if you are good enough at it (Which idk if anyone is)
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Post by mcnoob42 on Sept 25, 2013 19:27:18 GMT -5
...you can make there be NO height limit... That doesn't sound bad, actually.  |
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Post by Neracus on Sept 25, 2013 19:41:47 GMT -5
...you can make there be NO height limit... That doesn't sound bad, actually. Best idea yet |
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